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Posted 2 Years, 5 Months ago #1
http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/columnist/0,1886,56-178851,00.html

MARCH 23, 2003 Book Review Greenies see red over book

By Andy Ho SENIOR CORRESPONDENT

SAVING the environment has become such a religion that some of its practitioners have become quite fanatical.

Recently, the Danish Research Agency called upon Cambridge University Press to suppress the publication of a book, The Skeptical Environmentalist, declaring its author, Dr Bjorn Lomborg, to be 'scientifically dishonest'.

Indeed, the storm of protests over Dr Lomborg's book provoked Dr Deepak Lal, the James Coleman Professor of International Development at the University of California, Los Angeles, to write to the Financial Times, calling such fervour eco-fundamentalism, and the action a 'fatwa against Mr Lomborg, like Ayatollah Komeini's against Salman Rushdie...'

Such 'venomous, ad hominem condemnation of the heretic' must mean one thing, said another FT reader, wryly. It suggests 'what any fighter pilot knows: when you start receiving flak, you're right over the target.'

Dr Lomborg's target - environmental data on which much public policy the world over is based - deserves closer scrutiny. As a statistician, he does this with panache, taking a stab at 'measuring the real state of the world', as the book's subtitle declares.

The hugely successful book, which has gone through at least seven printings, examines several green issues such as climate change, population and biodiversity, to conclude that the future of the world's environment is not as dire as the greenies would have us believe.

Irked environmentalists have come out hurling invective, among them the reputable magazine, Scientific American, which invited, for example, The World Bank's chief biodiversity adviser, Mr Thomas Lovejoy, to refute Dr Lomborg on biodiversity and deforestation.

Barely concealing his disgust, Mr Lovejoy begins his critique by calling it 'disconcerting' that Dr Lomborg even dared to ask if biodiversity was important.

But that is a legitimate question, for even if you believe that many species of flora and fauna are disappearing quickly, the value judgment remains whether that loss matters - to you.

Greenies also assume that a reduction in natural habitats invariably means a proportional loss in species; Mr Lovejoy is upset when Dr Lomborg disputes this.

Citing the World Conservation Union's own reservations about this notion, Dr Lomborg points out that models used by environmentalists would suggest that since Brazil's Atlantic rainforest, for example, has been reduced by 90 per cent, half of all its species should have gone extinct.

Yet when the Brazilian Society of Zoology analysed a group of 300 animals, they could not find a single species that had died out. Likewise, not one species of plants had gone extinct.

Incredibly, Mr Lovejoy's repartee is that there may not be enough good biologists in Brazil to ascertain if any species have indeed gone extinct. He ventures that many species must be barely hanging on.

Yet these forests were cleared in the 1800s so such 'living dead' species have had over a century to die out - but have not.

Still, Mr Lovejoy repeats the mantra that biodiversity loss can only get worse.

This 'tsunami of extinction' already translates into a monetary loss of US$11 trillion (S$19.3 trillion), according to the environmental group World Worldlife Fund, which Lovejoy headed from 1987 to 1998.

In contrast, the United Nations predicts a 0.1-1.0 per cent species loss over the next 50 years rather than Mr Lovejoy's projection in 1980 that 15-20 per cent of species would be extinct by 2000.

Dr Lomborg also points out that the UN climate panel, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), projects in all its scenarios, save one, that there will be more, not less, forested areas by 2100.

In his website, he elucidates how his many critics resort to mischaracterising his arguments.

For example, Mr Lovejoy insinuates that Dr Lomborg ignores completely the fact that seven out of 60 species of birds unique to Puerto Rico were lost when its primary forests were reduced by 99 per cent over the last 400 years. The book, in fact, says: 'Only seven out of 60 species of birds had become extinct although the island is today home to 97 species of birds.'

So also with Prof Stephen Schneider, a Stanford biology professor, who critiques Dr Lomborg's discussion about global warning for the Scientific American.

Prof Schneider, for example, laments that most of Dr Lomborg's 2930 'citations are to secondary literature (whereas) IPCC authors, by contrast, were subjected to three rounds of review by hundreds of outside experts.'

What Prof Schneider, who authored several IPCC chapters himself, neglects to mention is that a third of the 646 endnotes in Dr Lomborg's chapter on global warming cite IPCC reports, which are themselves secondary reports - like many issued by the IMF, World Bank, WHO and FAO.

It would be too inefficient in discussing a global scale problem not to use the vast amounts of data offered by secondary sources - you cannot be collecting data yourself for every problem you want to comment on.

Such reports are probably the best summaries of how scientists currently understand climate science, for instance.

Despite his arguments, and these barbs, you would be wrong to think the myth buster is against environmentalism. In fact, Dr Lomborg, a backpacking, former Sierra Club member, does advocate dealing with environmental problems but on a sound basis and with correct priorities.

As a first cut at slicing the problem of prioritising environmental woes, his hefty 515-page book is a worthwhile read - as long as you are not an eco-fundamentalist.

(Andy Ho is a senior writer with The Straits Times.)
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Posted 2 Years, 5 Months ago #2
Good post.
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Posted 2 Years, 5 Months ago #3
Since Lomborg is a statistician, not a biologist, why would Lomborg even raise this question? I thought his defenders claimed he wasn't trying to do anything scientific in his book.

I would suggest if the animals were around to be analyzed, they would not be extinct, by definition.

But it would be dishonest to cherry-pick only the data you want.

Actually, journals are. Ever think of reading them?
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Posted 2 Years, 5 Months ago #4
Just to be tediously pedantic, AFAIK the Danish Ctte for Sci Dishon declared the book to be 'scientifically dishonest'. But I don't recall them asking anyone to cease publication; nor do I recall the Danish Res Agency becoming involved. But I might have missed something.

Really. I suppose it could be true. Doesn't sound like WGI stuff though. Nice to see Lomborg quoting IPCC appreciatively though: elsewhere he disses them.
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Posted 2 Years, 5 Months ago #5
I would suggest that if the Brazilian Society of Zoology cannot find these 'mass extinctions claimed, then in all probability they do not exist.

You Lloyd obviously know better than the scientists on the ground

I love this word 'cherrypick' . It means 'I can't refute your facts because they are facts, but I can dislike you for pointing those facts out'

Actually, Lloyd the 'State of the World' screed from Lester Brown does not qualify as a 'journal'

This clearly makes him an enemy of the environmentalists. Just imagine 'dealing with environmental problems on a sound basis and with correct priorities'. Shocking,
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Posted 2 Years, 5 Months ago #6
So Andy Whore wrote a book review, and shitpile Lomborg wrote a fiction book. What do either of these things have to do with science or environment?

And why can't Bob-Dave-Jim-Mike-Jerry remember his own name?
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Posted 2 Years, 5 Months ago #7
Is Psalm 110 your real name or a nickname?
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Posted 2 Years, 5 Months ago #8
No, it means if you got 99 studies showing x =2 and 1 study showing x =3, if you only include the one study that shows x=3, you're being dishonest.

I take that as a 'no.'
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Posted 2 Years, 5 Months ago #9
There was pressure to 'pull' Lomborg's book from WITHIN Cambridge Press, long before the Danish Committees on Scientific Dishonesty issued their verdict. Rumor has it that it was quite a knock down drag out fight.
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Posted 2 Years, 5 Months ago #10
That's where I've got you. Science is not a matter of who writes the most articles, wins. It is a matter of the accumulation of knowledge leading to explanation and prediction.

It matters not a whit that there are lots of people out there claiming that Einstein was wrong about relativity, only that Einstein's results are mathematically consistent and predict the results of experiments to a high degree of accuracy.

See crank.net for lots and lots of examples of people writing stuff, some of which appears in journals such as: http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Links/Papers/ Seto.pdf which is complete garbage.

You seem to believe that science conducts itself as some sort of political beauty contest. It doesn't. Science does not behave the way environmentalism thinks it does.

So Lloyd you are being dishonest to claim that 99 studies claiming one way trump 1 claiming another. The choice that science makes is whether those 99 can make testable predictions which can be independently verified, because if they don't, then they're not science at all AND ARE IGNORED in favour of the 1 that does.

You can take it any way you like. I read scientific journals to understand the nature of the Universe, not to prop up my tottering prejudices. But scientific journals are not the be-all and end-all of scientific debate on a topic. There are many reports published in scientific journals which are subsequently shown to be false.

You play you political games Lloyd, but as far as science goes, you're over your head.
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Posted 2 Years, 5 Months ago #11
True, but if one scientist thinks one thing and 99 thinks something different even after reading what that first person wrote, then alsmost certainly the first person is wrong.

If you look at the prominent physicists of the day most appreciated Einstein's work almost instantly. Take Wegener and continental drift if you want a theory that took a long time to be accepted. But then Wegener never managed to provide a plausible mechanism for how it could happen. He didn't have a consistent theory, just lots of good data that indicated that the continents had once fit together differently, however they moved.

Yes a lot of garbate is published, often by greenhouse sceptics. This qoute by Pat Michaels has been brought up before as an example of how many errors you can fit into one paragraph: 'the stat. prob. that a given year will be one stdev above the average is math. defined as 0.167 or one in six. The chance that one of 2 successive years will be hot [note the way a definition of hot is slipped in here, btw (wmc)] is 2 * .167 or 0.333, and the chance that one in three will be is 3 * .167 or .5. Thats 50%, with or without global warming.'

As you can see it was William Connolley who first spotted this little jewel.

I doubt Lloyd thinks science works the way you claim he thinks it works. Anyway, let's keep this qoute in memory should you ever chose to bring up the Leipzig declaration again.

The core of science is reproducibility. If you have one study that no one has been able to reproduce it's not good science.

Of course there are! That's why you should be very sceptical if there is only a single article 'proving' something. If no one has followed up on it, that's usually because the first article was wrong, at least if there are lots of other work showing something quite different.

It doesn't always work like that, but it sure is the way to bet if you aren't able to repeat the reasearch yourself to find out who is right.

How would you know?
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