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Bluestar4662
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Posted 1 Year, 11 Months ago #1
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We do know that they are in good numbers, though we do not know just how many there are. But it is perfectly fine to hunt a few whales, as long as it is many, many more left. Why isn't that good enough? And btw, would you think it was ok if we rather kept the whales in pens like the sheep, and then killed them? Why would you ever compare farming and hunting?

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Posted 1 Year, 11 Months ago #2
around.

I know..... So why do you compare whale hunting with sheep farming?

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Posted 1 Year, 11 Months ago #3
Logic at its best..... They can become extinct if we don't control the hunting. And that is what the IWC is for. So how can you claim such a dumb thing that it is a waste of time?

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Posted 1 Year, 11 Months ago #4
Geeeze Scrooge, your purely agricultural background really is rearing it's ugly head.

You must be kidding right? Does 'take as many whales as you feel like' sound like something familiar? This is the way it was during most of New Zealand's 160 year whaling history. Did it work well????????

No. It didn't. We decimated whale stocks, one after another. That system was a total utter failure. Even with the IWC it was still a failure because management techniques still had not been developed and tested. In 2001 however, the IWC scientific committee have unamimously recommended the Revised Management Procedure, after many years of development and testing with past data.

The IWC is there now, to ensure that similar situations of overhunting do not occur. Even if every single species of whale was abundant, there should still be a body to regulate catch limits.

No one wants to eat flies sustainably, at least not that I am aware of.

Indeed

So what? Cows don't breed like damn flies do either. What does this tell you? 'Don't kill cows as fast as you would kill flies.' right? So for whales what does this tell you? It should tell you that, if you want to hunt whales, you should figure out how fast whales breed, and make sure you don't overhunt them with regard to their population characteristics, right? This is PRECISELY why Japan carries out scientific research.

Why should we believe farmers who tell us they have 144 cows in their herd? Why should we believe fishermen who tell us there is plenty of fish in the sea?

Who the hell isn't biased? Who the hell are you ever going to believe? Japanese hunting whales are no more biased than any other people utilising marine life. And unlike other marine life, in the case of whales, there are few, if any industries which are subject to such a careful eye.

The IWC Scientific Committee verifies and analyse the scientific data that Japan and others provide.
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