Truth about Minke whales.

(edwin's article quoted in full for the benefit of aaw)

Illegal whaling? Is this just speculation? Sure sounds like it.

Sad to see Nature print crap like that.

Find me some evidence.

And you have proof that they didn't?

And this works how..?

And are you so sure that whale was hunted illegally?

Sez you.

I bet he did it for a reason.

So, does that make it invalid? And what is Norway?

First, they catch the whale. Then they report it in. A fax is sent to all potential buyers, to inform about a coming auction of whale meat. Then it is brought to whoever had the highest bid. And the buyers know how many whales they should receive, thus being very aware of it if they get too many. And the controllers know exactly how many whales each boat have caught, so they will notice if a boat exceeds it quota. Hmm, this all got a little short and simple. I hope you can make something out of it.....

Would you be so kind as to tell who you think *are* motivated by greed?

-Håvid A Falch

Palumbi has been criticised on for his shonky research in this area. He has also worked with Scott Baker, who has taken up a role of Greenpeace

Oh, you are that kind of person. You consider all whaling illegal..... Well, you don't really need to DNA test it then.

But of course, the environmentalists slaughtered the attempt?

That is a very irrelevant situasion. As no whales are being caught with nets in Norway.

That was not what I meant. My point was that when a fishing ship delivers it's catch of *fish*, it is more likely to do something illegal than a whaling ship delivering it's catch of *whale*. In any case, it is fishing ships that delivers the catch. Mind you, that I am not taling about Japan. And we don't use factory ships here anymore. Not in decades. Just plain fishing ships.

But not here, even though it is seriously damaging.....

I suppose you are talking about csma then? Well, I think you should continue the discussion on aaw, or just leave the thread. Noone is forcing you to participate in this pathetic exchange of flames. I have btw, posted two answers to you on aaw, where I removed the crossposting to csma.

-Håvid A Falch

Not really.

It was proven invalid in a double blind test.

Whaling, even by Norwegians, is not confined to Norwegian waters.

You're point seems to be we need better enforcement of existing laws.

Do any of those bring back endangered species?

Then it ought to be outlawed there.

C. Lund has made pro-whaling posts to CSMA. I need to counter him there.

Yes, because he can't face the evidence.

They are the originators of the test. It says something when they won't support it.

Do all of the buyers share their information with each other? How do they know I didn't sell three times my boat's capacity by selling to three different buyers?

They only know what's been reported.

Yes, I found a lot of holes.

Those who would destroy the planet for short-term profit.

Or maybe there was no evidence, or the evidence was poor?

My question was, who are 'they'. I am from Norway, just so that is clear. but I would like to know what you mean when you talk about Norway in this case. The government? An organization in Norway? A Norwegian?

You can not sell to three different buyers. Each catch is sold as a whole. Of course, a boat can have multiple catches in each season. But all is auctioned out through a major controlling organ, Norges Råfisklag if I remember correctly.

No, they are on the boats. Of course, we have had some minor incidents with whalers trying to get the controllers drunk. but i think we are past that now.

Where?

And who are those?

-Håvid A Falch

Good, then it doesn't matter if it is something wrong with the testing.

But it still was an attempt. And as the attempt failed, they were blamed. Even though it should be better than not trying at all.....

No, and that is why I stick to defending Norwegian whaling. Likewise, it is the reason that I prefer that people don't use arguments against both countries, when they only are valid for one of them. If they are valid at all that is.....

No, my point is that whaling laws are enforced well enough. But fisheries are not. Still, I don't hear many protests against the fisheries.

No, they don't. There is nothing to earn on doing so either, as there is enough minke to kill instead.

But it is not, and I don't hear Greenpeace and Sea Shepherd complaining about that. Maybe they would find it hard to get support for protecting those rather little intelligent and beautiful cods and haddocks?

To bad, as I think it should be a pure aaw thread.

-Håvid A Falch

What whaling? what nonsense....Norway´s whaling is perfectly legal...please get your facts right

bollocks..it´s controlled each step of the way from harpoon shot to eventual arrival in port.. please get your facts right

In the case of Norway, it´s not an issue, when the boats go whaling there are no nets onboard - there is´nt any room for them.. please get your facts right

Really? when was the last time you were on a Norwegian coastal fishing boat? Please get your facts right..

You are a bit of a silly sausage are´nt you... go get your facts right and then you can come back to play.. there´s a good boy

If you would be so good as to tell me why you people persist in Whaling in all its forms, then I may be able to sort out this abomination for you? Seriously, Geoff Carlin