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Sal Collaziano
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Posted 2 Years, 1 Month ago #1
But the 1930s were before global warming is said to have started?

In the absolute worst case, Europe is depopulating itself anyway. There's not enough children being born in Europe to keep itself from being emptied out in 100 years, so why change the climate for a people that aren't even interested in perpetuating themselves?

Still, I think we need to building a lot more nuclear reactors and retiring natural gas and coal units. Nuclear power is the way.

As I'm an American I agree with this. This doesn't mean that we want other nations to be poor, it means that we want the USA to be number 1. There's a difference. Unfortunately the above Neocon manifesto actually implies a strong behind the scenese American influence at the UN, which is something that Bush I and Clinton both clearly saw, but Bush II did not.
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Sharath
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Posted 2 Years, 1 Month ago #2
The Kyoto link does not do a cost benefit analysis. Which is cheaper? A warmer planet or CO2 reduction?
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freerap
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Posted 2 Years, 1 Month ago #3
Also, if the Green movement would not have killed nuclear power in the United States, the USA would already have exceeded Kyoto targets for CO2. So instead of blaming the oil companies, perhaps blame those that oppose nuclear power. There's a reason Europe and Japan have so much lower CO2 emissions - its because they use way more nukes.
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keck314
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Posted 2 Years, 1 Month ago #4
Europe has a higher rate of immigration than the U.S.

There will always be people in Europe.
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Posted 2 Years, 1 Month ago #5
Those black helicopters are making vote for Kerry this fall!

Can't be anti-government type with any moral honesty and support a President who has grown the size of government by 8% per year and strongly favors USA PATRIOT. You might say that this Right Wing whack job has identified some intellectual common ground with the left. My individual right to own rifles is the same as some else's right to practice gay marriage. Similarly, increasing the preponderence of evidence required to convict a suspect, protecting the due process of getting wire taps and warrants, serve both the left wing goal of protecting against injustice and my right wing goal of putting checks on the power of government.

So I'll be afraid of the government and black helicopters and you on the left can be afraid of corporate black helicopters, and we'll both compromise on black helicopters, and elect John Kerry this fall.

I don't think we should screw Europe or any part of the world economically. I think that American foreign policy needs to keep America on top by letting us get good deals and bettering ourselves, not by putting the world down. I guess we read that neocon statement in two different ways.

As far as the gulf stream goes, yeah, the salinity readings are bad. I do wish the environmental movement would moderate its opposition to a national nuclear power initiative. Seems to me that the risk of radiating a city is a lot better than the consequence of doing absolutely nothing. I've read about a lot of alternative energy, but, the US consumes so -much- energy that efficiency isn't going to be a quick fix, unless we build an aweful lot of pumped water facilities so we can store power by night, use by day. But all in all I see nuclear power + fuel cell cars as the only practical way of curbing greenhouse gases. What's the point of worrying about chernobyl when higher water temperatures imply half of the east coast under water and europe frozen.

Considering that the far east is so huge, and the asian continent has been the center of humanity for so long, it seems this is overdue. Still, I think the US, with its rising population, can stay in the mix.

True. The one legitimate issue the greens really have is that climate change should be a democratic decision, not a commercial one. That is, we all get a vote on climate.
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Sal Collaziano
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Posted 2 Years, 1 Month ago #6
Are you sure about that? The US is letting around 2-5 million people per year come to the US, with their families.
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mydogjo
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Posted 2 Years, 1 Month ago #7
Remember this in the future and remember I told you so, because I will remind you.

Nations without constitutions who rely instead on democracy, will easily fall back to racial and or ethnic clensing when their traditional demographics are threatened. As wurope becomes less european, you can expect them to throw away any imagined rights they have in order to rid themselves of what they consider outsiders invading and changing their cultures. You can already see early signs of that in several countries, particularly France. In 20 years, I fully expect to see a growing and openly outspoken nazi movement in europe even if under a different name. You cannot have socialism paired with high rates on immigration, AND a democracy and expect anything else. The only way to avoid it is either getting rid of the socialism, stoppng immigration entirely, and or adopting a constitutional system to take power away from the 'mob rule' principle. But I don't se them doing any of that anytime soon. Instead they will wait until the socialist systems start to collapse entirely and then blame the <insert minority here>, and it's the 1930s all over again.

William R. James
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Sharath
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Posted 2 Years, 1 Month ago #8
Socialism is doing that already.

William R. James
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