Why should Greenpeace respect laws of the sea if Japan doesnt?

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Stop abusing kangaroos, sheep, the aboriginals and the coloreds people, you stinking bastards! Next time, the whaling vessels will shoot and sink those terrorist Greenpeace kind of boats.

I'll give you MILLIONS of rational reasons
http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/general/default.aspx? oid=10196

Whale Watching 2001 found that whale watching is now a US $1 billion industry. More than 492 communities in 87 nations and territories offer whale watching excursions and tours.

oh, yeah man... screw that...

Yes, that's necessary if you want to eat whales. They'd thrash about too much on the plate if they weren't dead first.

And what say you about all the people who kill the animals that you eat?

I'm sure you probably can't.

For a start, Australia/NZ/UK/US remaining signatory to the convention that legitimises and sets rules for whaling is the first big stumbling block. It's hard to ban something when you purport to agree with it at the same time.

No, and yes.

Firstly, please don't waste our time talking about the 'whole world'. The only nations that really strongly oppose whaling are the predominantly white nations of AUS/NZ/UK/USA. The vast majority of the world actually agrees with the principle of sustainable use - for some unknown reason a few nations think that whales are (since petroleum was invented) 'too good for eating'.

Second, yes it IS research. The Japanese want to conduct SUSTAINABLE whale harvests, as well as utilise other marine resources sustainably. For this to be possible, SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE is required. One gets scientific knowledge by conducting research. What is Japan studying? Whale populations. It should therefore be utterly obvious why whale populations need to be sampled if one wishes to study whale populations.

And finally, yes it is all about food. Is there anything wrong with humans seeking to utilise a range of food resources, particularly so when they have a history of it?

Yes, pretty much they do. Japan is an island nation with limited land suitable for grazing animals. As a result, Japanese peoples developed over the years by relying on what the sea provides. One day it might be fish, another a different type of fish, and another it might be a huge slab of whale meat. When you don't have the luxury of being able to hold animals in captivity to ensure a stable supply of food, you do have to rely on eating anything that moves.

The whales that Japan kills die far more swiftly than the thousands of kangaroos that Australia slaughters each year.

You don't have a clue about the people on those whaling ships do you Bless your soul!

It's your own stupid government you should be targetting, they are the ones who are legitimising it by remaining signatory to the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling.

How utterly barbaric and stupid can you get?

You don't have the guts. Australia/US have talked about this for years, and NEVER done ANYTHING of the sort. NO guts. You can't even get your government to withdraw from the convention that legitimises whaling for a start. PATHETIC.

You are a FINE piece of work my friend. Bless your soul, again!

He would know full well the need for scientific research to ensure wise management decisions could be made, in line with the ICRW.

Bless your soul! You really are a guiding light for your countrymen.

They should do what I say.

Regards,

You should try reading what is written, and not draw incorrect conclusions

Yes he is ignorant of most facts, just as you are.

Logic was not one of your better subjects obviously.

Since there is no such thing as sustainable whaling, Australia gave it up 30 years ago.

'Proof' by constant assertion is not actual proof.

Agreed.

Scientific taste tests are just commercial whaling by another name. You simply refuse to accept the truth because it would upset your self delusion.

Simple bitching has achieved nothing, but of course the people are upset whales are being killed for no good reason.

And we think you are full of shit trying to justify the indefensible.

I agree, we should sink your vessels and both countries can stop pretending.

I agree, we should sink it instead. Japan certainly won't take any notice of logic. Unlike most other countries, they are uninterested in whale watching, and only seem interested in 'scientific' taste tests.

You seem unable to grasp the fact that if all countries did it, it would NOT be a small fraction. Extinction would be certain. Why is Japan (and Norway) the only countries who would supposedly get the rights to kill as many whales as they wish?

Only because all other countries have seen the light and stopped whaling.

And was falling rapidly at a far greater rate before other countries saw the light. Why should Japan be the only one able to slaughter other countries whale watching industry?

Only because other nations have ceased. Japan is just sefish.

Only because other nations have ceased. Japan is just sefish. Where is your compromise on quotas for all countries? Or at least all former whaling countries.

Yes, they want all the whales for themselves, they certainly don't want anyone else killing whales as well!

Pity extinction would be certain if all countries started whaling again.

There are no wild sheep here, and no farmed whales anywhere that I am aware of.

So you believe Australia should resume whaling for food too? And how many other countries, and what quota for each?

Yes, as long as there is only one greedy nation doing the killing. What happens if there are many?

But not all countries get a quota, so how is that fair?

We have knowledge of a hundred years of whaling and what damage it created. You just choose to ignore facts.

Yes, your ignorance and selfishness is obvious.

Actually quotas are being protected from illegal fishing by our coast guard and Navy.

Only in that there is no $billion fish watching industry.

Yes, trust you, a greedy selfish prick. Of course

Agreed, Japan has spent FAR more money buying votes, and our economy does not allow us to compete.

Ok, one or two will do.... ??

Umm, why would ANY whale come near a WHALING boat even though the Japanese are ALREADY hunting them??? The Japanese have been hunting minkes in the Southern Ocean for almost 20 years - yet instead of finding it harder to catch the whales, they are finding it easier.

Whales clearly aren't as smart as you want to think they are.

So, please, give me your next best reason...

a) There is nothing incompatible about whaling and whale watching operations. No one is sacrificing the whale watching industry for anything. Both can and should co-exist. b) Whale meat is only highly priced because of limited supply. This is basic economics. And, living in Japan I can tell you that even your average Japanese person (or foreigner in my case) can easily afford whale cuisine anyway.

Regards,

You've said a *lot* of silly things that have no basis in fact. I'll let other eat you lunch on them; but I do want to ask if you are aware that not a single whale species has been hunted to extinction by humans? Not one.

And Japan's whaling is not in bringing any whale species closer to extinction; in fact it does the opposite, given that if we don't learn more about whales we have no way to prevent extinction, accidental or otherwise.

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